The rioting students;

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The rioting students;

Do we support them?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2010/nov/14/happiness-index-brita...

Or are they just agitators?

Personally I'd be marching myself if I could get up there and didn't have such big commitments - and if they start picketing local universities I shall definitely take my turn.

I am appalled at how heavily this government has hit educational cuts, I get making cuts - but I think I could find better places to make them.

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I support students rights to peacefully demonstrate, but I condemn the use of violence.

I think access to Higher Education had gone too far and think it's right that the number of courses, places and institutions be reduced, but I don't agree that 'market forces' are the best way to do it. I think it should be managed a lot better and, with increasing tuition fees, there should be increasing bursaries and scholarships to ensure that any able student has the opportunity to study. (But, of course, I would draw the line of able a lot higher than it currently stands.)

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Yes to supporting the peaceful protests. The ones who use violence or aggression are stupid yobs who don't deserve an education.

I agree totally that it's unrealistic to saddle students with so much debt, especially before they've even begun to climb the corporate ladder. But part of the problem is that going to Uni isn't something reserved solely for the brightest students, it's expected of the majority, which costs so much more, taking funding away from the students who have a genuine need and desire to be there.

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Daedalus wrote:
I support students rights to peacefully demonstrate, but I condemn the use of violence.

I think access to Higher Education had gone too far and think it's right that the number of courses, places and institutions be reduced, but I don't agree that 'market forces' are the best way to do it. I think it should be managed a lot better and, with increasing tuition fees, there should be increasing bursaries and scholarships to ensure that any able student has the opportunity to study. (But, of course, I would draw the line of able a lot higher than it currently stands.)

Every single thing Daed just said. Everything.

The problem is, once you start chucking street furniture around, and punching policemen on the nose, your argument loses a HUGE amount of weight, morally. But you COULD argue that very few peaceful marches have actually acheived anything, while the more violent ones have done. The Stop The War march in 2003 saw three-quarters of a million people marching peacefully, did it work, did it bum! The Countryside Alliance sent out half a million people to repeal the Hunting Act...and we're still just drag huntings, and the foxes are a bigger nuisance than ever. Compare that to the poll tax march in 1990 - it turned into a riot, caused hundreds of thousands of punds' worth of damage, and the Poll Tax was scrapped shortly afterwards.

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I also hugely agree with Daedelus - i think we need fewere unis, that are properly funded, high quality and that have rigorous support in attracting and helping able people from poorer backgrounds.

I am quite pleased with the students getting out there, though not with rioting, which always does a disservice to your cause.

Also disappointed, but not surprised, with all the 'Tory scum' rhetoric being thrown about. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine, as I was brought up by some 'Tory scum' and they are not 'bigots' or 'fascist $%^&s who deserve to die' (views I have heard expressed about tories from friends of mine) and they were not strict parents and they never tried to influence how any of us voted, they just wanted us to vote. This cartoon idea of 'evil, posh tories who are bigots and hate poor people' is popularly promoted by the left and helps stifle democratic discussion because anyone who might actually think the tories have come up with anything good can expect a sh*tstorm of abuse their way for saying anything other than that the tories are fascist scum who deserve to die

So we have kids who weren't even born when Thatcher left power parroting lines about how tories are evil and Thatcher ruined everything. Now they're welcome to say that if they've done their research and come to that conclusion, but I do get annoyed a kids who are obviously just repeating their orthodoxy, and we'll hear more of this through the protests. Groups like the SWP are enjoying this opportunity to recruit lots of kids through the giving out of 'Tory Scum' placards, and I hope that not too many kids get taken in or distracted by tory-hatred rhetoric, rather than directing their protest at the specific issue at hand.

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I'm quite glad that people are beginning to get off their backsides and show their disapproval at decisions which most people feel they have absolutely no control over......and I think these demonstrations by students are only the beginning......once the cuts do start to take their toll and benefit changes start to happen I can see a lot more displeased populous.....

I don't as per se blame Tory, Labour or Lib Dem, but feel they've all got their part to play in the problems, and I can remember being a teen in the 80's and it was just par for the course hating the tories ( Maggie!)......

it is a pity if the demonstrations are played into by radical factions, but then that's a part of democracy and I think the news coverage was much better for these demos that the first one....it was definately brought to bear that it was a minority who were causing damage and behaving in a way that doesn't bring any credence to their issues.

I've acutally felt they are more 'annoyed' at the Lib Dems than the Tories........but I do see what you mean about the actual issues being used to further other political parites......

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But then political parties have always done that to each other haven't they? it's nothing new.

I watched a screamingly funny clip once, an old one. 'L is for Labour, L is for lice' lmao it was brilliant! I've googled... and it seems it's a spoof- pity!!!

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And it's not nearly as funny as I remember it either... dammit.