Should Youngsters Be Forced To Give Up Their Seats On Public Transport?

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Should Youngsters Be Forced To Give Up Their Seats On Public Transport?

http://lifestyle.aol.co.uk/2012/03/26/should-teenagers-be-forced-to-give...|uk|dl5|sec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D101823

I would hope that my 14 year old would always give up her seat for an elderly, disabled or pregnant passenger.  I am not actually sure that she would though.  Not because of lack of thought, but we don't use public transport that much and I doubt that she has ever seen it happen.

This article made me think that I explain to her that she must do so, and that it would not be inappropriate behaviour to offer!  Will be going on tube tomorrow, so will start my lecture at about 1 o'clock ..........

BJ's idea sounds to me like common sense. And one that you would hope the parents would teach.  But, for whatever reason, don't.

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It makes sense to teach children of all ages common courtesy, even if they don't use public transport very often. I guess it's something which wouldn't occur to most parents to deliberately sit and teach their kids though, unless they read something like this. 

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I don't think that anyone should be forced to give up there seat BUT I do think that younger travellers, and not just teenagers, should give up their seat voluntary to older / more needy people.

I was always taught to give up my seat & will do if I think that person needs my seat more than me.

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I think a lot of teenagers can be quite oblivious how their behavoiur affects other people and to other peoples needs, i.e. wouldn't think of giving up their seat to an elderly person, they may assume that the elderly person would ask them or another passenger to give them a seat (for example).  However I think if you teach your kids that they should do this, then they usually will.  In my experience (teaching secondary school) most teenagers are more caring and considerate than people generally give them credit for, but may not be aware of what expectations others may have of them, or may be unaware of problems becuase they've never experienced it and haven't been taught about it.  Even a lot of rowdy  behaviour from most teenagers isn't meant to be threatening and they often don't know how loud and intimidating they can appear to others around them.  Just a few years ago they were small kids where the same behaviour was just playing.  (there are of course teens who are malicious too, but they're in the minority)

I think a pledge whereby their entitlement to free travel is dependent on courteous behaviour is a really good idea, and it needs to be accompanied by teaching them what is or is not courteous behaviour and why some things that to them is just rowdy and "playing around" would be quite scary to other passengers who don't know them.  I think the majority of teens would understand this, and would give up their seats without being forced to, but there's always going to be a minority who want to be threatening and bolshy, and they can lose their entitlement to free travel, and this will serve as an example to others so they know the police and bus companies are serious about it.

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When I was growing up it was the norm to stand for adults

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I think  it's a good idea. A little reinforcement goes a long way.

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It’s the thin end of the wedge.

How old do you have to be to be elderly? How can you tell if someone is really disabled, or just a benefits cheat? And don’t get me started on telling the difference between pregnant women and fatties!

So, it starts with teenagers have to give up their seats for some, then teenagers have to give up their seats for all, then teenagers don’t get seats, then teenagers have to pay.

Bloody Tories!

(:) )

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Daedalus wrote:
And don’t get me started on telling the difference between pregnant women and fatties!

(:) )

Daedy you are awesome!

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it is the thin end of the wedge though: children give up their seats for adults, teenagers to adults, men to women, women to the elderly/pregnant whatever.  Isn't that what courtesy is?  I think it's  a shame that it has to be enforced by rules as it apparently doesn't happen naturally.
So you don't have to worry Daedy; it doesn't matter of a woman is pregnant or a fatty, you still don't get the seat if the bus is full! Big smile

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Dont get me started on the pensioners demanding not asking for a seat cos they are old bloody rude gits. Or pushing in and stating they should be first cos of age. What the hell has age got to do with it. Politeness cost nothing in any generation. 

Most teens wouldnt hear anyone anyways cos they have their headphones in so would be in there own world clueless. 

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I don't think anyone should be 'forced' ... and the chance of children losing their passes etc. does rather open them up to being reported by malicious adults who whinge about the noise level of kids chatting, or about some child not giving up their seat (when the child is on crutches, or has a hidden disability, or something) and ... well ... open to misuse I'd say!

However, as a general policy and expectation of courtesy to others and consideration for others who are less fit or strong than oneself ... Yes, I absolutely agree. Part of what Boris was quoted as saying - about all Londoners paying through their taxes for the free bus passes and with rights come responsibilities ... yes, absolutely ...

But I'm a little unsure about the 'forced' because to me that just invites and encourages resentment and rebellion from the child, and the consequences ... it really depend on how a child can be reported and can lose their pass, and whether some moody git can make life difficult for a child through sheer bloodymindedness ...

Helen