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I thought I was agreeing with you Jacqui!
I just found this: http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article671972.ece
I think I'm behind the times as I didn't know it had generally become an acceptable term in its own right, with another, additional definition, and having read that article, Corris' posts make more sense to me (sorry Corris!).
I think if I were homosexual I would be put out that a word that meant something positive, which was then adopted by homosexuals, then went on to become a negative word after that adoption by homosexuals (if that makes sense), but that's a whole other argument!
blimey - I've just impressed my own socks off
I hadn't read that article - or indeed any other article saying the same thing, but absolutely agree with the findings of the board. My kids have an accepted use, and accepted definition, which has nothing at all to do with sexuality.
I don't know where it came from - that's for the academics in another 50 years - but this cites latin, german origins, plays where the word was used. No doubt in time someone will pinpoint where it became 'lame' or 'rubbish' - but certainly, socially and among younger people that's what it means now. So to punish or correct younger children for using the word in that context is, I think, old fashioned and ignorant of the teachers.
Corris it was a comment by Fredd about changing a words meaning wasn't acceptable if the derogatory meaning was used in living memory. What I should have said was if the it was ok for the word to be adopted by the homosexual movement and therefore it's meaning changed then it's acceptable for the youth of today to do the same.
I was writing my previous post whilst trying to deal with a phone call and a temper tantrum
Larry Grayson used to say 'oh what a gay day' right up until he left the generation game in 1981 (along with shut that door)
But Gay was never an insult in the same category as spastic and the like - and I wasn't including it in what I said. Gay had it's own meaning to start with.
And whilst I can only comment from the anecdotal point of view having observed the endless stream of teenagers that pass through my house. (Do no other teenagers parents in Norfolk provide food I wonder?)........ they don't use spastic. I've never heard a racist comment - or a homophobic one.
They use 'muppet' and someone else's parent objected to that - but let's face it, teenagers need something to call each other.
But they use gay a lot. Swimming was gay two nights ago apparently. And I have to say I agree with the BBC (although I didn't know it) and it now has a completely different, and accepted, meaning amongst children. And to THEM it's not homosexual within living memory - and it certainly won't be for the six year olds that are being reprimanded by out of date teachers and educational workers.
I think a comment can only really be racist or homophobic if it's fully understood. A 6 year old using 'gay' clearly can't be accused of homophobia, it's simply something they've overheard elsewhere. The same applies to 'racist' words; small children don't discriminate unless they've overheard others doing it. And if a child is genuinely being racist, it's probably something they've learned at home, which is far more worrying than silly playground chatter.
And I totally agree with Corris that teens don't use 'gay' in the way it was used 15/20 years ago. I don't think I've ever heard anyone use spastic, it seems to be a bit of a lost word (in a good way).
I've heard spastic used, it seems to be coming back, but so far I've only ever heard it amongst a group of lads playing together
I don;t like the way some teens use the word "rape" in the context of this football team are raping that football team 3-0.
I would tell any child/ teen off for that in my earshot.
I have mixed views about gay as I feel it did start off being used for something awful in an offensive way but has been looked over.
JaquiL with the Larry Grayson stuff you were being flippant weren't you?